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 Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 02:51:41
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Hello,
How many worlds comprised the Second Republic? I've heard some say it was around 1000, other say 400. I could have sworn there was a line somewhere that said the Republic spread for 20 jumps in every direction from Byzantium Secudus. What do you think?
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 09:32:46
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A have a huuuuge starsystem map i could mail to you TLK... its with most (if not all??) systems...:)
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 10:20:00
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Pilgrim TLK,
The Second Republic included more than 1000 worlds ( including the Star Nation and the Caliphat ), but thanks to the Data Purge following the Devestiture, only 400 were refered by Orthodoxy historians. These 400 worlds were in fact the nexus of the Second Republic ...
I think that the Data Purge had been made by high members of the Senate and/or high ranking admirals in order to keep the far away colonies out of Church/Nobility grasp. Mayhaps hoping that these "safe worlds" could be able in the future to reclaim the Known Worlds in the name of a Third Republic. ;)
That's the actual plot line of my new campaign .... ;)
Sincerly from Manitou Grand Central,
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"O Invisible Intelligences, hear my plea. Open the path to the stars and guide my
feet upon it. In my travels, let me not shun the unknown regions. Show to me
creations yet to be birthed.Let mine eyes scry thy true foundations, the secret
thread which binds your creatures, so that I may proudly perform my duty to
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 13:09:32
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StGeorges,
Now there is a cool way to run it :)
I was having my group go through lost worlds and research stations on their way though my main plot, but I could just see the remnant worlds trying to keep the core fractured to give them time...
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 13:33:03
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Schu,
I created a whole hidden Republic in the heart of the Known Worlds ( with some extensions in Vau Space ) ... i'm still working on it ( i hope it'll please someone called Alustro ... ;)
Sincerly from Manitou Grand Central,
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"O Invisible Intelligences, hear my plea. Open the path to the stars and guide my
feet upon it. In my travels, let me not shun the unknown regions. Show to me
creations yet to be birthed.Let mine eyes scry thy true foundations, the secret
thread which binds your creatures, so that I may proudly perform my duty to
thee."
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 14:00:34
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StGeorges,
So when do we get to see it?
One thing I will note, it is my belief that with the way the jumpgates work, any "lost" worlds can be neighbors of any known world. And the best part is that you could use the gates to come and go, and noone would be the wiser if you are careful about what you carry...
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 14:12:14
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Schu,
For the moment, all the material ( about 400 pages ) it is only in french ... and its name is De Nova Res Publica ( About the New Republic for englishspoken people ).
In fact, i hope to submit it to Alustro in order to have a professional point of view ..but i'll post it in the future ( read after i definitively finished and translated it ).
Sincerly from Manitou Grand Central,
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"O Invisible Intelligences, hear my plea. Open the path to the stars and guide my
feet upon it. In my travels, let me not shun the unknown regions. Show to me
creations yet to be birthed.Let mine eyes scry thy true foundations, the secret
thread which binds your creatures, so that I may proudly perform my duty to
thee."
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 14:15:45
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StGeorges,
Fair enough. Good luck with the official response. And don't lose patience with them if they take their time responding, they are a bit busy :)
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 14:28:52
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Schu,
As i alredy said, i've got plenty of time to spend here on Manitou Grand Central, cause of my other projects about FS and Mage ... and i'm a very patient person ... ;)
Sincerly from Manitou Grand Central,
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"O Invisible Intelligences, hear my plea. Open the path to the stars and guide my
feet upon it. In my travels, let me not shun the unknown regions. Show to me
creations yet to be birthed.Let mine eyes scry thy true foundations, the secret
thread which binds your creatures, so that I may proudly perform my duty to
thee."
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 14:59:15
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StGeorges,
*chuckle* In that case, Fare Thee Well!
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 15:47:42
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Mithras, how did you make your uber map?
St Georges/Schu: I'm intrigued by your take on the lost worlds. How many have you stated?
Good comments, keep em coming:)
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 16:26:36
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TLK,
I tend to take a bit of license with the lost worlds.
I feel they vastly outnumber the known worlds, but there are also routes that the second republic did not know...
Or that they did not disseminate.
Which just make the universe that much bigger.
But it is usually my take that each gate in the Known Worlds has routes that are either forgotten or unknown to the Known Worlds.
Then again, I was planning to have a "mishap" as they transmitted their key for a jump and end up elsewhere.
For that matter one of the PC's had an AI that was using the ship to look for where a key it had would work, each time they came to a jump, the system would transmit the AI's key first to see if it would work, then transmit the intended one. The PC's had not caught on yet to what was going on before the game ended.
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 16:27:37
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TLK my friend,
Actually i found it made by someone who actually "must have been truly, lovely insane" reading all the books available... its a megamap of humanspace..:)
I send it to you now TLK...:)
St George my friend,
I sincerely hope that we one day will be able to read your massive writing you describe above here..:)
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 16:28:53
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Mithra,
Can I get on that list?
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 16:29:08
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TLK, email me first.. seems i can email you and attach file with this forum...
Any other wanting this map is free to send me a mail and ask for it too..:)
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 18:11:47
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Email has been sent
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 18:14:05
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Mithra_s my dearly friend,
I just sent you an email in order to receive the famed starmap ... :))
Sincerly from Manitou Grand Central,
StGeorges |
"O Invisible Intelligences, hear my plea. Open the path to the stars and guide my
feet upon it. In my travels, let me not shun the unknown regions. Show to me
creations yet to be birthed.Let mine eyes scry thy true foundations, the secret
thread which binds your creatures, so that I may proudly perform my duty to
thee."
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 20:50:05
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st georges, I know you're probably already aware of this, but I've got several star maps you might want to integrate.
http://www.geniocracy.net/renaissance/appendices.htm
I would be very appreciative to look at your work (I can somewhat speak french) as I would love to integrate it into my website. (EVIL GRIN) |
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 00:03:30
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Mithra_S,
I would also like a starmap if possible, I will be sending you an appropriately titled email soon. Thanks in advance.
Luxifer,
Just as a note, I know you are updating you site now, the http://www.geniocracy.net/renaissance/fsimages/humanjumpweb.jpg link does not appear to be functional. If I notice anymore I will communicate through email, I just figured I'd post it here since we were on the topic.
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 03:03:58
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Originally posted by StGeorges
Pilgrim TLK,
The Second Republic included more than 1000 worlds ( including the Star Nation and the Caliphat ), but thanks to the Data Purge following the Devestiture, only 400 were refered by Orthodoxy historians. These 400 worlds were in fact the nexus of the Second Republic ...
and there should also be unknown worlds (in far greater numbers than the ones discovered during the 2nd Republic)
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I think that the Data Purge had been made by high members of the Senate and/or high ranking admirals in order to keep the far away colonies out of Church/Nobility grasp. Mayhaps hoping that these "safe worlds" could be able in the future to reclaim the Known Worlds in the name of a Third Republic. ;)
That's the actual plot line of my new campaign .... ;)
indeed I would think that the Phavian Institute should have predicted what was going to happen and would have taken some countermesure (but maybe it's just that I make the equation Phavian Istitute = Foundation) |
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 03:35:24
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I agree with the Phavian/Foundation connection. If I remember right, they even predicted the fall of the Republic (psychohistory? or just precognition)?
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 08:25:13
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Gah... i had tons of spams so deleted the mails..:(
If possible, can you send me the email again to mmks@bredband.net have the subject as Fading suns, so its easy to spot among all spam-mail..:)
sorry for the inconveniance...
EDIT: Found them..:) mailed to all that wanted the maps...:) <---yes had 2 big ones..:)
EDIT2: on file jumpweb3 there is a system called "Nasteur", never mind that one... added myself that one and is related to the campaign i have... sorry for the inconveniance.. the rest is correct... *feels a lil ashamed*
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 11:47:04
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Mithra,
Many thanks, I got your maps.
TLK/fabio,
I always gave the Phavians credit for Precog, not Psychohistory.
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 12:11:00
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Mithra_s,
I'd like to thank you for your email and your two maps that are really useful !! :))
Sincerly from Manitou Grand Central,
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"O Invisible Intelligences, hear my plea. Open the path to the stars and guide my
feet upon it. In my travels, let me not shun the unknown regions. Show to me
creations yet to be birthed.Let mine eyes scry thy true foundations, the secret
thread which binds your creatures, so that I may proudly perform my duty to
thee."
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 15:14:50
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Originally posted by fabio milito pagliara
[quote]Originally posted by StGeorges
indeed I would think that the Phavian Institute should have predicted what was going to happen and would have taken some countermesure (but maybe it's just that I make the equation Phavian Istitute = Foundation)
Of course they did, why do you think they relocated to Terminus? *cough* I mean Kun Lun. |
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 16:57:08
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A few years ago I created a jumpweb map for my online game, combining the maps in the corebook, Star Crusade, and Hegemony. It is located here, if anyone wants to look at it:
http://fadingsuns.org/jumpweb_frame.html
The routes indicated on the map are pretty much canon, supplemented by a few inferences on my part. The only exception is the jumproute to Vargo, linked between Tethys and Egg: that world is the setting for my online game. Ignore that one, and the rest is probably pretty accurate. [:)]
One curious thing I noticed when I combined the Known Worlds and Vau maps is the relative proximity of Yathrib and S'rib (in the sense that they occupy roughly the same area of the jumpweb, rather than their spatial coordinates).
The description of S'rib in Hegemony doesn't sound much like the world where the Prophet received his vision of the Celetial Sun, but it is an interesting coincidence that their names sound so similar, no? [:)] |
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 17:11:09
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Zakhayelos,
To my mind, Yathrib and S'rib are different names for the same world ... Is not in S'rib system that the First Contact between the Vau and the Symbiots take place?? ;)
I suppose that the Vau annexed Yathrib/S'rib just after the Sathraïst Uprising ( read when they closed the Jumpgate from Aylon to Yathrib ), in order to study more carefully the world of the Holy Vision and mayhaps to keep it until the Mandarin decide to return it to Mankind ...
Sincerly from Manitou Grand Central,
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"O Invisible Intelligences, hear my plea. Open the path to the stars and guide my
feet upon it. In my travels, let me not shun the unknown regions. Show to me
creations yet to be birthed.Let mine eyes scry thy true foundations, the secret
thread which binds your creatures, so that I may proudly perform my duty to
thee."
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Posted - 20 Nov 2004 : 08:55:35
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Luxifer my friend,
I sent you the two maps as well.
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Posted - 20 Nov 2004 : 16:22:24
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I make S'rib and Yathrib very seperate. Considering that closeness on a jumpweb is a completely arbitrary representation by the people who use the jumpweb. I've been able to draw a jumpweb that properly links as canon and it had Yathrib and S'rib very far away from each other. That's not even including the idea that we're only seeing it in 2D. I'm sure a 3D map would be far more accurate to represent the jumpweb.
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How big was the Second Republic?